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		By: Martin Lechner		</title>
		<link>https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-506236</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Lechner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-504995&quot;&gt;Kyle&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Kyle,

I normally initialize the property with
&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;
properties
    graphicToPrint Graphic = ConcreteGraphic.empty
end
&lt;/pre&gt;
and have no problems with the new syntax.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-504995">Kyle</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Kyle,</p>
<p>I normally initialize the property with</p>
<pre lang="matlab">
properties
    graphicToPrint Graphic = ConcreteGraphic.empty
end
</pre>
<p>and have no problems with the new syntax.</p>
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		By: Kyle		</title>
		<link>https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-504995</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Oct 2019 18:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have serious issues with the new syntax actually. If you want to have abstract classes, the old method would work. The new method does not. For example the below 3 classes work with the old way, but the new way does not. Also sorry for the formatting. I couldn&#039;t seem to indent and add spaces properly
&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;
classdef Printer
    properties
       %graphicToPrint Graphic  % doesn&#039;t work
        graphicToPrint@Graphic
    end
    methods
        function print(this)
            % do some printing acting on graphicToPrint
            this.graphicToPrint.print();
        end
    end
end

classdef Graphic
    methods (Abstract)
        print(this);
    end
end

classdef ConcreteGraphic &lt; Graphic
    methods
        function print(this)
            disp(&#039;print on ConcreteGraphic happened&#039;)
        end
    end
end

&gt;&gt; p = Printer;
&gt;&gt; p.graphicToPrint = ConcreteGraphic;
&gt;&gt; p.print
print on ConcreteGraphic happened
&lt;/pre&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have serious issues with the new syntax actually. If you want to have abstract classes, the old method would work. The new method does not. For example the below 3 classes work with the old way, but the new way does not. Also sorry for the formatting. I couldn&#8217;t seem to indent and add spaces properly</p>
<pre lang="matlab">
classdef Printer
    properties
       %graphicToPrint Graphic  % doesn't work
        graphicToPrint@Graphic
    end
    methods
        function print(this)
            % do some printing acting on graphicToPrint
            this.graphicToPrint.print();
        end
    end
end

classdef Graphic
    methods (Abstract)
        print(this);
    end
end

classdef ConcreteGraphic < Graphic
    methods
        function print(this)
            disp('print on ConcreteGraphic happened')
        end
    end
end

>> p = Printer;
>> p.graphicToPrint = ConcreteGraphic;
>> p.print
print on ConcreteGraphic happened
</pre>
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		By: anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-403034</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, Matlab has relased a new syntax to define property restrictions (Size, Class, Validation Functions):

https://de.mathworks.com/help/matlab/matlab_oop/validate-property-values.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Matlab has relased a new syntax to define property restrictions (Size, Class, Validation Functions):</p>
<p><a href="https://de.mathworks.com/help/matlab/matlab_oop/validate-property-values.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://de.mathworks.com/help/matlab/matlab_oop/validate-property-values.html</a></p>
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		By: Yair Altman		</title>
		<link>https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-381022</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yair Altman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2016 07:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-380655&quot;&gt;Chris Hoogeboom&lt;/a&gt;.

@Chris - nice to see you here!

Your report chimes with &lt;a href=&quot;http://undocumentedmatlab.com/blog/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375230&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Martin&#039;s comment above&lt;/a&gt;. The new syntax&#039;s documented automatic type-casting can be replicated in the old (undocumented @) syntax using the &lt;code&gt;property&lt;/code&gt; attribute:

&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;
classdef DayExample
    properties
        day@WeekDay property = WeekDay.Monday
    end
end
&lt;/pre&gt;

which allows setting the value as either an enumerated value or its char representation:
&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;
&gt;&gt; d = DayExample
d = 
  DayExample with properties:

    day: Monday

&gt;&gt; d.day = WeekDay.Tuesday
d = 
  DayExample with properties:

    day: Tuesday

&gt;&gt; d.day = &#039;Thursday&#039;
d = 
  DayExample with properties:

    day: Thursday
&lt;/pre&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-380655">Chris Hoogeboom</a>.</p>
<p>@Chris &#8211; nice to see you here!</p>
<p>Your report chimes with <a href="http://undocumentedmatlab.com/blog/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375230" rel="nofollow">Martin&#8217;s comment above</a>. The new syntax&#8217;s documented automatic type-casting can be replicated in the old (undocumented @) syntax using the <code>property</code> attribute:</p>
<pre lang="matlab">
classdef DayExample
    properties
        day@WeekDay property = WeekDay.Monday
    end
end
</pre>
<p>which allows setting the value as either an enumerated value or its char representation:</p>
<pre lang="matlab">
>> d = DayExample
d = 
  DayExample with properties:

    day: Monday

>> d.day = WeekDay.Tuesday
d = 
  DayExample with properties:

    day: Tuesday

>> d.day = 'Thursday'
d = 
  DayExample with properties:

    day: Thursday
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		By: Chris Hoogeboom		</title>
		<link>https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-380655</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hoogeboom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Yair,

I agree with you on all of your points, especially with regards to the backwards compatibility issue. One nice thing that I noticed while reading through the documentation is that you can now specify properties to be a part of an enumeration class, which then allows you to set those properties as strings. For instance, suppose I have an enumeration

&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;
classdef WeekDay
    enumeration
        Monday
        Tuesday
        Wednesday
        Thursday
        Friday
    end
end
&lt;/pre&gt;

Now I can define a class as such

&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;
classdef DayExample
    properties
        day WeekDay = WeekDay.Monday
    end
end
&lt;/pre&gt;

and now I can do

&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;
obj = DayExample();
obj.day = WeekDay.Monday;
obj.day = &#039;Tuesday&#039;;
&lt;/pre&gt;

where in previous versions of MATLAB, I would have to implement it as

&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;
classdef DayExampleLegacy01
    properties
        day@WeekDay = WeekDay.Monday
    end

    methods
        function this = set.day(this, d)
            if ischar(d) &amp;&amp; isvector(d)
                d = WeekDay.(d);
            end
            this.day = d;
        end
    end
end
&lt;/pre&gt;

or

&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;
classdef DayExampleLegacy02
    properties
        day@char = &#039;Monday&#039;
    end

    methods
        function this = set.day(this, d)
            WEEK_DAYS = {&#039;Monday&#039;, &#039;Tuesday&#039;, &#039;Wednesday&#039;, &#039;Thursday&#039;, &#039;Friday&#039;};
            assert(ismember(d, WEEK_DAYS), ...
                &#039;DayExampleLegacy02:IllegalDay&#039;, ...
                &#039;&quot;%&quot; is not a valid week day.&#039;, d);
            this.day = d;
        end
    end
end
&lt;/pre&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Yair,</p>
<p>I agree with you on all of your points, especially with regards to the backwards compatibility issue. One nice thing that I noticed while reading through the documentation is that you can now specify properties to be a part of an enumeration class, which then allows you to set those properties as strings. For instance, suppose I have an enumeration</p>
<pre lang="matlab">
classdef WeekDay
    enumeration
        Monday
        Tuesday
        Wednesday
        Thursday
        Friday
    end
end
</pre>
<p>Now I can define a class as such</p>
<pre lang="matlab">
classdef DayExample
    properties
        day WeekDay = WeekDay.Monday
    end
end
</pre>
<p>and now I can do</p>
<pre lang="matlab">
obj = DayExample();
obj.day = WeekDay.Monday;
obj.day = 'Tuesday';
</pre>
<p>where in previous versions of MATLAB, I would have to implement it as</p>
<pre lang="matlab">
classdef DayExampleLegacy01
    properties
        day@WeekDay = WeekDay.Monday
    end

    methods
        function this = set.day(this, d)
            if ischar(d) &#038;& isvector(d)
                d = WeekDay.(d);
            end
            this.day = d;
        end
    end
end
</pre>
<p>or</p>
<pre lang="matlab">
classdef DayExampleLegacy02
    properties
        day@char = 'Monday'
    end

    methods
        function this = set.day(this, d)
            WEEK_DAYS = {'Monday', 'Tuesday', 'Wednesday', 'Thursday', 'Friday'};
            assert(ismember(d, WEEK_DAYS), ...
                'DayExampleLegacy02:IllegalDay', ...
                '"%" is not a valid week day.', d);
            this.day = d;
        end
    end
end
</pre>
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		By: Simon		</title>
		<link>https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375689</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matlab typing in general isn&#039;t great. Try this; 
&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;
inceptDate datetime = datetime([],[],[]);  % The period start date as datetime
&lt;/pre&gt;

Then set it like to the string -  
&lt;pre lang=&quot;matlab&quot;&gt;&#039;1-Jan-2010&#039;&lt;/pre&gt;

Matlab accepts this in both old and new &#039;type checking&#039; formats. If you retrieve the inceptdate variable, it&#039;s a character array, not a datetime. 
Functionally then, you *still* need to roll your own type checking, whether you use the old or new style.

For small projects this is okay. For larger living projects, not having type safety is terrible...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matlab typing in general isn&#8217;t great. Try this; </p>
<pre lang="matlab">
inceptDate datetime = datetime([],[],[]);  % The period start date as datetime
</pre>
<p>Then set it like to the string &#8211;  </p>
<pre lang="matlab">'1-Jan-2010'</pre>
<p>Matlab accepts this in both old and new &#8216;type checking&#8217; formats. If you retrieve the inceptdate variable, it&#8217;s a character array, not a datetime.<br />
Functionally then, you *still* need to roll your own type checking, whether you use the old or new style.</p>
<p>For small projects this is okay. For larger living projects, not having type safety is terrible&#8230;</p>
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		By: Adam		</title>
		<link>https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375599</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 15:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, this is certainly interesting.  More so for me because I somehow missed your previous post from 3 years ago and knew nothing about the undocumented syntax (or the new documented one) previously!  I did see some new appdesigner code recently though which included this new syntax and surprised me since I had never seen it before and thought it must somehow be special for appdesigner-produced code.

I have been using assignments to e.g. someClass.empty in a properties block to act mostly as documentation about what is expected and help with certain array-based initialisations and always use a validateattributes block in property set functions, but using this syntax (well, the undocumented older one at least) is potentially something I will look at for new classes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, this is certainly interesting.  More so for me because I somehow missed your previous post from 3 years ago and knew nothing about the undocumented syntax (or the new documented one) previously!  I did see some new appdesigner code recently though which included this new syntax and surprised me since I had never seen it before and thought it must somehow be special for appdesigner-produced code.</p>
<p>I have been using assignments to e.g. someClass.empty in a properties block to act mostly as documentation about what is expected and help with certain array-based initialisations and always use a validateattributes block in property set functions, but using this syntax (well, the undocumented older one at least) is potentially something I will look at for new classes.</p>
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		By: Yair Altman		</title>
		<link>https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yair Altman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2016 22:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375438&quot;&gt;Egon&lt;/a&gt;.

@Egon - surely you are not equating the importance of Pascal (which I love, don&#039;t get me wrong) et al, with that of C/C++/C#/Java. By whichever measure that you choose, these 4 latter languages far outweigh the others in importance.

Moreover, even the sample languages that you cite use the : operator to separate the identifier from its type, and in this respect they are much closer to Matlab&#039;s old (undocumented) syntax that uses the @ operator.

Finally, the @ syntax is actually consistent with Matlab classes: after all, Matlab classes use @ to indicate &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/matlab_oop/organizing-classes-in-folders.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;folders containing class methods&lt;/a&gt; that are implemented as independent m-files, and also to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/matlab_oop/calling-superclass-methods-on-subclass-objects.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;call super-class methods&lt;/a&gt; from a sub-class.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375438">Egon</a>.</p>
<p>@Egon &#8211; surely you are not equating the importance of Pascal (which I love, don&#8217;t get me wrong) et al, with that of C/C++/C#/Java. By whichever measure that you choose, these 4 latter languages far outweigh the others in importance.</p>
<p>Moreover, even the sample languages that you cite use the : operator to separate the identifier from its type, and in this respect they are much closer to Matlab&#8217;s old (undocumented) syntax that uses the @ operator.</p>
<p>Finally, the @ syntax is actually consistent with Matlab classes: after all, Matlab classes use @ to indicate <a href="http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/matlab_oop/organizing-classes-in-folders.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">folders containing class methods</a> that are implemented as independent m-files, and also to <a href="http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/matlab_oop/calling-superclass-methods-on-subclass-objects.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">call super-class methods</a> from a sub-class.</p>
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		By: Egon		</title>
		<link>https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375438</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Egon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2016 12:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Cross compatibility – it is very confusing to users coming to Matlab from other programming languages, all of which (without any important exception) place the type name to the LEFT of the identifier name, not to its RIGHT. People coding in both Matlab and Java/C/C++ would easily get confused and frustrated.&lt;/i&gt;
I disagree with this. There are quite a few languages that annotate the type to the right of variable names. Just have a look at Pascal (for an old language), and newer (and popular) languages such as Scala, Swift, Go, Rust, ...: all of those define the type after the variable name.

Technically, this simplifies semantic analysis and is easier when type inference is needed.
From a human point of view, I also think it makes more sense. Specifically: the important part is the name of a variable (what does it mean?) rather than its type (implementation detail).
More info also at &lt;a href=&quot;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1712274/why-do-a-lot-of-programming-languages-put-the-type-after-the-variable-name&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;StackOverflow&lt;/a&gt;.

I hence really like that in MATLAB the type declaration is after the field name (no need to replicate the behavior of languages such as C that were explicitly written to be really concise and have quite some peculiarities as a result: e.g. defining both a variable and a pointer on the same line is possible but confusing). 

On the other hand, I fully agree with your main point that MATLAB should have just documented the old syntax and not create new ones that are not backwards compatible. But if I&#039;m completely honest, I would rather have seen the syntax as in Pascal, Swift, Scala, ...:
&lt;pre&gt;name : type = value&lt;/pre&gt;
where the &lt;i&gt;:type&lt;/i&gt; part is optional from the start.
I particularly dislike how the old syntax uses &lt;i&gt;@&lt;/i&gt;while those types don&#039;t have an obvious link to function handles, and how this only works for properties, not for function/method arguments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cross compatibility – it is very confusing to users coming to Matlab from other programming languages, all of which (without any important exception) place the type name to the LEFT of the identifier name, not to its RIGHT. People coding in both Matlab and Java/C/C++ would easily get confused and frustrated.</i><br />
I disagree with this. There are quite a few languages that annotate the type to the right of variable names. Just have a look at Pascal (for an old language), and newer (and popular) languages such as Scala, Swift, Go, Rust, &#8230;: all of those define the type after the variable name.</p>
<p>Technically, this simplifies semantic analysis and is easier when type inference is needed.<br />
From a human point of view, I also think it makes more sense. Specifically: the important part is the name of a variable (what does it mean?) rather than its type (implementation detail).<br />
More info also at <a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1712274/why-do-a-lot-of-programming-languages-put-the-type-after-the-variable-name" rel="nofollow">StackOverflow</a>.</p>
<p>I hence really like that in MATLAB the type declaration is after the field name (no need to replicate the behavior of languages such as C that were explicitly written to be really concise and have quite some peculiarities as a result: e.g. defining both a variable and a pointer on the same line is possible but confusing). </p>
<p>On the other hand, I fully agree with your main point that MATLAB should have just documented the old syntax and not create new ones that are not backwards compatible. But if I&#8217;m completely honest, I would rather have seen the syntax as in Pascal, Swift, Scala, &#8230;:</p>
<pre>name : type = value</pre>
<p>where the <i>:type</i> part is optional from the start.<br />
I particularly dislike how the old syntax uses <i>@</i>while those types don&#8217;t have an obvious link to function handles, and how this only works for properties, not for function/method arguments.</p>
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		By: Yair Altman		</title>
		<link>https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375379</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yair Altman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375246&quot;&gt;YishaiE&lt;/a&gt;.

@YishaiE - &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;inputParser&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; is simply a function that checks the validity inputs. It is essentially no different than using other programmatic solutions such as &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;assert&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;isa()&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; etc. The potential benefits of constricting the input args at the function declaration level is that it would avoid the need to add these programmatic checks, and also the overheads associated with the function/method call in case of a type mismatch. Moreover, the code becomes cleaner, smaller, more robust and more maintainable. These are basically the same benefits of constricting property types. 

&lt;i&gt;Hag Same&#039;ach!&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://undocumentedmatlab.com/articles/setting-class-property-types-2#comment-375246">YishaiE</a>.</p>
<p>@YishaiE &#8211; <i><b>inputParser</b></i> is simply a function that checks the validity inputs. It is essentially no different than using other programmatic solutions such as <i><b>assert</b></i> or <i><b>isa()</b></i> etc. The potential benefits of constricting the input args at the function declaration level is that it would avoid the need to add these programmatic checks, and also the overheads associated with the function/method call in case of a type mismatch. Moreover, the code becomes cleaner, smaller, more robust and more maintainable. These are basically the same benefits of constricting property types. </p>
<p><i>Hag Same&#8217;ach!</i></p>
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